From: Elaine Nelson 
Subject: RE: Uganda & Adventist Church
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:25:49 -0800


While counselling is expected=2C is there any additional manner in which th=
e global church can make recommendation to void the positions taken there?

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Elaine Nelson
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> Date: Thu=2C 11 Mar 2010 02:47:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: Uganda & Adventist Church
> From: don.sands.777@gmail.com
> To: sdanet@sdanet.org
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> Don Sands here...
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> I agree.
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> I also suspect that much "counselling" has taken place between GC
> leadership and Ugandan SDA leadership since the issue first arose
> among the members of the world church=3B i.e. January of this year=2C I
> think.
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> ----------------------------
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> On Wed=2C Mar 10=2C 2010 at 10:10 PM=2C Gary Simpson  wrote:
> > I appreciate the responses.  I was not sure if the reference on Martin
> > Ssempa's web site was the Seventh-day Adventist Church.  I suspected it=
 was=2C
> > but he was not well enough informed to know the correct name of the
> > denomination.
> >
> > To say this situation is  problematic=2C is putting things mildly.  Whi=
le the
> > article helps establish the official position of the worldwide church=
=2C the
> > article appears to be stating there could be  some problems some circle=
s
> > within the Ugandan church.  The bill before the legislature in Uganda
> > violates decent principles of pastoral counselling=2C and could have th=
e
> > impact of creating a McCarthy-era sense of fear=2C as everybody checks =
every
> > closet in the land to see if there are any gays around.  Potential pris=
on
> > sentences for not reporting gay people to the authorities=2C and potent=
ial
> > prison sentences for promoting homosexuality are very ill-conceived.  E=
ven
> > people advocating acceptance and love of gay people=2C while not approv=
ing of
> > same-gender sexual relationships=2C could face prison sentences.
> >
> > I fail to see anything remotely redemptive about the proposed legislati=
on
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From: "Mrs Abbott" 
Subject: Re: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:06:59 +1000

The words of the testimony should be applicable to all people of all =
times both male and female.  God changes not.  So His word is infinite.

Julie M Abbott
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Elaine Nelson=20
  To: sdanet@sdanet.org=20
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:53 PM
  Subject: RE: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate



  Many of these letters are concerned about women's job as mothering.  =
But there are many women who are either childless, or their children or =
grown and no longer need "mothering."  If that is the reason for not =
ordaining them, it surely is not applicable  for all women at all times.
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  Elaine Nelson=20

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  From: ageis7@hotmail.com
  To: sdanet@sdanet.org
  Subject: RE: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate
  Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:06:09 -0800


  Someone mentioned that China is the only nation that now ordains =
women.  Could this be clarified?
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  Elaine Nelson=20

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From: "Mrs Abbott" 
Subject: Re: SV: Re: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:04:09 +1000

Re: SV: Re: Ellen White's Ordination CertificateJust about everything in =
the Bible is male oriented.  For example, we are called sons of God =
never daughters of God [unless I have missed something].  As the leaders =
of the churches were exclusively male then addressing men in masculine =
terms is not a peculiarity.

Julie M Abbott
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  From: James North=20
  To: SDAnet=20
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:50 PM
  Subject: Re: SV: Re: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate


  Johnny,

  How do you interpret the "priesthood of all believers?"  What does it =
mean that we are a "kingdom of priests?"  Is that only male?

  James North, Jr.


  On 2/28/10 5:56 PM, "cdmd@aol.com"  wrote:




    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

    From: johnnyandersen2005 =20
    Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:05:39 +0100
    To: 
    Subject: SV: Re: Ellen White's Ordination Certificate
    Women should NOT be priest it against the Bible, Paul said: "Women =
should keep silent in the congregation".
    Johnny Andersen
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