From: AFL Fiji 
Subject: Re: 40 Days of Prayer
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:41:35 -0700

My assumption has been quite the opposite Teresa - I've never believed
I've lost the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit. I can't say when He
arrived into my life, but I know for sure He's never left. Which is
not the same thing as saying I've never 'felt' as if he's never left.
Obviously, there have been times when I have 'felt' utterly 'alone' in
this world, but have had to cling to the Scriptural promise of his
abiding with me no matter what my emotions tell me. So I don't quite
understand and never have understood what the theology of the 'second
blessing' and 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' is really about. Seems to
be a mechanical theory to resolve an emotion-based doubt.
Robert Wolfgramm

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Teresa Quintero  wrote:
 > Is this taught in the church, or is it "understood"?  I just never assumed I
 > had automatically received the Holy Spirit when I was baptized.  I see that
 > as something I have to seek every moment.
 >
 > Teresa Quintero
 >
 > oh, Father in heaven, glorify YOUR name, Yourself, over all.
 > ________________________________
 >
 > From: Karl Wagner 
 > To: sdanet@sdanet.org
 > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:03 PM
 > Subject: Re: 40 Days of Prayer
 >
 > Karl Wagner wrote:
 >
 > Teresa,
 > Your use of Luke 3:16 and John's baptism is not the baptism into Christ.
 > Jesus reference to his disciples to a future baptism (Acts 11:16) of the
 > Holy Spirit was a reference to Pentecost and the beginning or birth of the
 > church.
 > However, when Paul baptized followers of John into Christ,they received the
 > HS. As I mentioned before, the receiving of the HS by the family of
 > Cornelius prompted Peter to ask,  what prevented them from being baptized.
 > The second example I gave you is the receiving of the Holy Spirit after
 > baptism by the laying on of hands by Peter after Philip baptized in the name
 > of Jesus. While the baptism and the receiving of the HS were not
 > simultaneous, both events are intrinsically connected and scripture shows
 > it.
 > Blessings,
 > Karl Wagner