From: AFL Fiji
Subject: Re: 40 Days of Prayer
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:41:35 -0700
My assumption has been quite the opposite Teresa - I've never believed
I've lost the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit. I can't say when He
arrived into my life, but I know for sure He's never left. Which is
not the same thing as saying I've never 'felt' as if he's never left.
Obviously, there have been times when I have 'felt' utterly 'alone' in
this world, but have had to cling to the Scriptural promise of his
abiding with me no matter what my emotions tell me. So I don't quite
understand and never have understood what the theology of the 'second
blessing' and 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' is really about. Seems to
be a mechanical theory to resolve an emotion-based doubt.
Robert Wolfgramm
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Teresa Quintero wrote:
> Is this taught in the church, or is it "understood"? I just never assumed I
> had automatically received the Holy Spirit when I was baptized. I see that
> as something I have to seek every moment.
>
> Teresa Quintero
>
> oh, Father in heaven, glorify YOUR name, Yourself, over all.
> ________________________________
>
> From: Karl Wagner
> To: sdanet@sdanet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: 40 Days of Prayer
>
> Karl Wagner wrote:
>
> Teresa,
> Your use of Luke 3:16 and John's baptism is not the baptism into Christ.
> Jesus reference to his disciples to a future baptism (Acts 11:16) of the
> Holy Spirit was a reference to Pentecost and the beginning or birth of the
> church.
> However, when Paul baptized followers of John into Christ,they received the
> HS. As I mentioned before, the receiving of the HS by the family of
> Cornelius prompted Peter to ask, what prevented them from being baptized.
> The second example I gave you is the receiving of the Holy Spirit after
> baptism by the laying on of hands by Peter after Philip baptized in the name
> of Jesus. While the baptism and the receiving of the HS were not
> simultaneous, both events are intrinsically connected and scripture shows
> it.
> Blessings,
> Karl Wagner
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